Antyszwed vs TearsofWolves – You Tube’s debate

Poniżej zapisuję dyskusję na temat legalizacji narkotyków z You Tube’a którą ostatnio toczę, jest w miarę ciekawa więc chciałem ją “uwiecznić na blogu”.

Poniżej zapisuję dyskusję na temat legalizacji narkotyków z You Tube’a którą ostatnio toczę, jest w miarę ciekawa więc chciałem ją “uwiecznić na blogu”. Myślę że to mało czytelne, ale i tak umieszczam. Małpa “@” przed imieniem oznacza zwracanie się w kierunku osoby po małpie, nie oznacza że jest ona autorem (autor wypowiedzi jest na dole)

Requiem for a Dream

this movie shows that all drugs (not only alcohol like now hypocrities:) should be legal-black guy wouldn’t go to prison, white guy would heal his arm (because he wouldn’t go to prison) and girl woldn’t have to sell her body for drugs because they would be cheaper
antyszwed

@antyszwed That’s what the fourth story is about – the prescribed “speed” drugs didn’t do much good to the mother.
wyzim1

@antyszwed I don’t believe so, I think It’s about how heroin and speed are bad for you and this shows alot of the ill effects that may happen from doing these drugs
kiecool1994

@antyszwed And children would be shooting potentially lethal chemicals into their veins, burning holes in the cartilage between their nostrils from snorting cocaine, and building up tumors in their lungs from smoking marijuana. There’s a much simpler solution: DON’T GET HOOKED ON DRUGS YOU FUCKING MORON.
TearsofWolves

@TearsofWolves If so, why they don’t kill each other with alcohol now? Do you really think that if all drugs will be legal most people wolud use them irresponsible to kill themselves? It’s impossible to keep alcohol legal and other drugs illegall without logical contradiction-alcohol is obviously more lethal than many psychodelic drugs. If you want to delagalise drugs you don’t reagard human freedom. Why in US you can buy a gun to harm others and can’t buy drugs because you can harm yourself?
antyszwed

@antyszwed Yeah, we tried making alcohol illegal and look how well that turned out. And yes, people DO kill each other with alcohol. 10,839 people died in a drunk driving accident last year and another 79,000 died from alcohol poisoning. Don’t even try to say that I’M disregarding human freedom. When you get hooked on drugs, you take your own freedom away. You go through your days just looking for another way to get high. You become a slave to whatever drug you’re on. (cont.)
TearsofWolves

@antyszwed Furthermore, the reason that guns are legal is because law abiding citizens have the right to defend themselves, or “bare arms” as mentioned in the Bill of Rights. I don’t remember reading about “the right to get stoned and slowly destroy your brain,” though. If you knew anything you’d know that you can’t get a gun permit if you have a criminal record. And by the way, people already use drugs “irresponsibly to kill themselves.” That’s why they’re illegal, dumbass.
TearsofWolves

@TearsofWolves and because somebody is stupid and overdose heroine I will be punished for smoking weed and others can legally get drunk and sick – where’s the justice? where’s the logic? You shouldn’t forbid sth only because it can hurt you! Extreme sport might hurt you, does sb delegalise it? Drugs are great fun when doing wisely – probably you all know this, because all of you tried alcohol, does it makes you a junkie?
antyszwed

@TearsofWolves when you choose to take drugs at first time it was your choice, and you would know it could lead to addiction. Hovewer minority is prone to addiction, majority doesn’t get addicted easily. Only drugs similar to heroine are as dangerous as “they told”, other, especially psychodellics are less dangerous than alcohol. “we tried making alcohol illegal and look how well that turned out”-And now you try to make other drugs illegal, and don’t you see how well it turns out?
antyszwed

and last of all (probably, I’ve got a long night here:) How arrogant people must be, to give others orders and tell them what drug they can use on themselves? If I want to use something which results mainly on me, what others got to do with this? Just leave drug users alone! You don’t even have to help them (mainly by puting them into prisons, because most of them don’t need rehab)
antyszwed

@antyszwed Yeah, because we all make such amazing choices when we’re kids. I’m sure you fully understood the consequences of every single choice you made when you were in college. How naive can you get? People are stupid and make stupid choices without knowing what they’re getting in to. You can’t just think about yourself when taking drugs. The truth is that any drug that you take has the potential to harm anyone around you. Over 100,000 babies are born addicted to cocaine every YEAR. (cont.)
TearsofWolves

@antyszwed Don’t tell me that drugs only hurt the user – Tell that to a crack baby. Tell that to a woman who is raped by her boyfriend while he was high on PCP. Or tell that to the six year old that is raped by that same guy….Tell that to the taxpayers who will be paying out the wazoo for higher insurance rates, more taxes for drug rehabilitation programs, and more money for court cases due to the increased number of drug related offenses. (cont.)
TearsofWolves

@TearsofWolves all the things that you’re saying about crack babies-they are created now when the cocaine is illegall, as it is about “etanol babies” which are born when alcohol is legal – I don’t think that prohibition makes matter betters for crack babies. “People are stupid and make stupid choices without knowing what they’re getting in to”-and they gonna make them more often when drugs are illegall, because they don’t have proper information about them when drugs are banned and a tabu.
antyszwed

@antyszwed Furthermore, making drugs legal will not decrease crime rates simply because a large percentage of violent crimes are caused by drugs. Not by people committing crimes in order to get drugs, but by people who are under the influence of drugs. The violent crimes caused by drugs won’t magically disappear if drugs are legalized. Legal PCP isn’t going to make a person any less violent that illegal PCP. How about young children and teenagers? (cont.)
TearsofWolves

@antyszwed They won’t be able to purchase drugs, just as they can’t purchase alcohol. Pushers would then concentrate on young people, and how will they learn to say no to pushers when they see their parents getting high with the consent of the government? Legalization would create a large group of new drug users – children.
TearsofWolves

“Legalization would create a large group of new drug users – children.” Don’t be silly @TearsofWolves. Drugs would be sold like people favourite drug – alcohol, so children wouldn’t get it unless they show ID proving they are mature, or they can get it like they can get alcohol now – by cheating adults. When drugs are illegall dillers don’t care about the age of customers. Do you think if they were legal there will be a special market for kids? Is there a alcohol market for chldren?
antyszwed

@antyszwed Yeah, if you think that anyone wants to “help” drug users, then you really know nothing. Drug users are detriments to society. Exactly how many times have you seen a heroin addict on the cover of Thorpe’s? Now, take that number and compare it to how many time’s you’ve seen one in a strip club or working the streets or lying in a pile of his own piss in some alley. And you can start preaching about how “most of them don’t need rehab” when most of them would rather buy drugs than food.
TearsofWolves

@TearsofWolves and heroin is one that makes black legend for all drugs, when talking about drugs people always have to “heroinise” all drugs! I’m not telling that drugs are good in every circumstances – I’m telling they should be legalise for so many obvious reason, that being agianst it is as silly as believe in God or Santa. Many drugs are good for fun, some of them are dangerous, so you have to be carefull. But you don’t need to take away a right to decide about using drugs from individuals.
antyszwed

@antyszwed What. The. Fuck. You just HAD to bring up God, didn’t you? How would you like it if I went and took a dump on one of your most deeply held beliefs? Secondly, you have no right to tell me that I’M silly when you’re over here spouting your hippie bullshit. Oh yeah, your drugs are good fun when you first start. But I’m sure the fun stops when you have a hole in your septum and tumors the size of baseballs growing in your lungs. (cont.)
TearsofWolves

@TearsofWolves I had to because faith in anything is such a nonsense for me. Can’t you just let other people have fun, when they now the possible consequences? You can have your boring life without drugs in golden cage where nothing can hurt you, but you don’t have to make others live like you told them. Don’t be a bully!
antyszwed

@antyszwed Besides, you completely missed the point of my previous post. I wasn’t saying that all drugs were as bad as heroin. That doesn’t matter anyways, because all drugs can be dangerous if you aren’t careful, and you can’t just consider the small percentage of people who are careful. What you said about the whole extreme sports thing made no sense either. Yeah, you could break your neck when skateboarding. You could also get hit by a bus when you’re crossing the street. (cont.)
TearsofWolves

@TearsofWolves ok, I missed the point for propaganda reasons and I’ve been aware of this. I admit that drug users aren’t a proud of society, but I think that drugs usually aren’t the reason of they problems – they do drugs because they have some issues. In my case I found live boring and meaningless so I’m collecting trippy experience, I did so without drugs. And if you can be hit by the bus, so also you can overdose sth, but why to forbid sth because of this if you are grown up man?
antyszwed

@TearsofWolves and moreover: you can’t prove that building a great society is a goal of humankind – you can’t prove that anything is a overall goal of everything. And policy of drugs prohibiotion isn’t efficient – it creates mafia, makes drugs polluted and unsafe for users, and don’t makes amount of junkies smaller -far from it! Legalization of all drugs would be better for drug users and for the society and it is proven by prohibition of alcohol in USA.
antyszwed

@antyszwed Do you want to make buses illegal? How about walking? My point is, shit happens every day. Mexico made heroin, PCP, opium, mushrooms, and meth legal back in ’06. See how much less crime there is now? Yeah, no. Sorry, bud, but the government’s not going to legalize drugs simply because a bunch of people (technically criminals, since you’ve obviously used drugs before) want to have fun. Hey, maybe you could take up an extreme sport. (cont.)
TearsofWolves

@TearsofWolves so did Mexico legalize production of drugs or only possession? They got drug crimes because they’re poor weak country which supplies USA in illegall way. Sorry but goverment didn’t have to delegalize drugs firstly – they weren’t a big problem. You call me a criminal? So when the law is stupid I’m proud of being called so! Was the drugs such a problem before campaign that makes them evil? Does average older person treat alcohol as a great fun and innocent joint as evil poison?
antyszwed

@TearsofWolves and one more thing about Mexico: if drugs production were legal instead of gangsters war you would have competition of respectable capitalists, and the goverment would get taxes from it like it gets from brewery. Goverments in democratic country don’t want to change the law because majority is stupid and don’t know nothing about drugs other than alcohol (which they found great for fun, when other drugs are the products from hell).
antyszwed

@antyszwed I hear they’re just as dangerous as shooting deadly toxins into your bloodstream while watching Paprika TearsofWolves

@antyszwed I’m sorry you’ve hit a rough patch, dude, but the whole point of making drugs illegal is so that people might find better ways to deal with whatever they’re going through than becoming wastes of space. You find life boring? Why don’t you try to improve the lives of others then? Volunteer at the animal shelter, knit blankets for the homeless, become a teacher. Anything to give you something worthwhile to do instead of wallowing in self-pity.
TearsofWolves

@antyszwed Okay, let me ask you this then: did making alcohol alcohol legal after prohibition lower the consumption of alcohol? Hell no. The reason that crime was so high was because people were breaking the law by smuggling moonshine and other alcohol. Legalization of drugs would do nothing but increase the consumption of drugs, causing the whole situation to spiral even further out of control than it already is.
TearsofWolves

@TearsofWolves no it wouldn’t in Holland less people smoke weed than in Poland from where I’m writing. and even if it would, the justice and freedom of choose would be provide.I don’t think that crucial part of society would say “hay-we should all leave our jobs and career, and have fun with drugs!” and then society will collapse. Serious people don’t want to party too much, they are serious and responsible-they can be lazy and hippie right now and they don’t, so they wouldn’t after legalization
antyszwed

@TearsofWolves okay, I’m getting drowsy and my English is getting worser and worser :/ , it’s 3:28 AM here in Poland and I don’t want to listen Requiem music again after next refreshing, thank you for making such a elaborated thread, I’m pretty sure that drugs besides alcohol wouldn’t be legall for centuries as you wish (I think even in Star Wars legal is only alcohol:)
antyszwed

if the majority doesn’t change attitude toward drugs, goverment would never change the law, because they don’t want to be racional, they want to be elected (in democratic countries). So as long as the stupidity and ignorancy is strong in common morality you can be sure @TearsofWolves that no “hippie” would change your precious law into dangerous way of freedom and wisedom.
antyszwed

The only drug that should be legal is marijuana its natural,
huntrixLoL

@huntrixLoL why natural drugs should be legal and synthetic not? shrooms are natural, coke is natural. and what is the main difference between natural and artificial? is the amphetamine created in some kind of bad magic? why you despise sth that is scientifically cerated and put them under sth what grow from earth?
antyszwed